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Yah mystik. You had a good point there. If you think that some post is ok, because you "see the point" you have to think does that other one see it same way. After all, earth is huge thing 
I don't see your point.Ok that wasn't funny.
Statistics: Posted by Guest — Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:26 pm
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Statistics: Posted by lurah- — Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:07 pm
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What i'm trying to explain is that all these people with all these different system of beliefs are all good people, but they take things at heart at very different levels. My major complaints about QBasicNews was there wasn't enough staff for the demand. In a way I agree with Pete here, where indeed the users should at least try to moderate themselves, atleast at first. But because of this difference of opinions and difference of level of agravation between two people reading the same post, moderators, atleast, are needed more and more as the userbase grows. For that reason I tend to agree with Z!re on that part too. It's all human nature really. Any community would become quite boring if everyone believed in the same thing, thought the same thing about the same subjects. Without variety and individuality, there is NO community.
At another level, not everyone interprets written words in a post the same way either. It's not always obvious to read emotions and frame of minds in a written sentence. That too contributes to debates. I believe in the balance of powers. Extreme Good must have Extreme bad in order to exist. Likewise people will interpret written text either extremely well or extremely bad, be it they don't speak good english, or are having a bad day and everything they read will be at their worst that day. For those particular situations (and the more members in a forum, the more often they occur, I won't say it grows exponentially, but it grows faster than the member list grows which means it's more and more needed) that's when mods are needed more and more. Of course they are needed for those that are just bluntly looking for trouble too
.Still today people think they can handle everything and often realize they need help after it's too late because they thought they could handle it. Prevention is always the best policy. Atleast in my humble opinion
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Damn, and just when I was going to start checking out the boards again, there's a huge thing, and I miss it, without the chance to even take sides, and argue points I either can't back up with evidence, or points I don't personally beleive in myself. Oh well.
The only reason I chime in at this time is that I find it an interesting situation to sorta like, individually, many of the people on the various boards (sorta being a function of how much I actually know them, from personal exchange to just reading the posts), and yet, how venomously they despise each other. I was going to say it was funny, but it's not... so I'll go with interesting, for now.
As for the actual issues, I've been a little out-of-it for about, hmmm *checks watch*.. five years, so I'll jump in now. It's everyone elses fault, or it's only my fault... either of those is fine.
*lol* Yeah I seem to have missed all the fun too.The only reason I chime in at this time is that I find it an interesting situation to sorta like, individually, many of the people on the various boards (sorta being a function of how much I actually know them, from personal exchange to just reading the posts), and yet, how venomously they despise each other. I was going to say it was funny, but it's not... so I'll go with interesting, for now.
As for the actual issues, I've been a little out-of-it for about, hmmm *checks watch*.. five years, so I'll jump in now. It's everyone elses fault, or it's only my fault... either of those is fine.
*lol* thanks pete. Now everyone knows NeoBASIC is unprotected.Take NeoBasic. It has no admin or moderator (Marcade has forgotten the passwords, and there has been no moderation on the site for years.) And yet, it's a great, unified community.
Small sites with a base of people visiting barely need admin. Big sites with a lot of people simply do need admin. I wouldn't want to compare NeoBASIC board with QBN board, because QBN board simply receives more visitors who don't yet know eachother yet.
At NeoBASIC almost all the forum people know eachother for like .. years .. now .. *lol*
Statistics: Posted by Guest — Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:54 am
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The only reason I chime in at this time is that I find it an interesting situation to sorta like, individually, many of the people on the various boards (sorta being a function of how much I actually know them, from personal exchange to just reading the posts), and yet, how venomously they despise each other. I was going to say it was funny, but it's not... so I'll go with interesting, for now.
As for the actual issues, I've been a little out-of-it for about, hmmm *checks watch*.. five years, so I'll jump in now. It's everyone elses fault, or it's only my fault... either of those is fine.
Statistics: Posted by Guest — Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:29 pm
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EDIT: I had a long post, but decided against posting it.
Jocke, if you actually care about this issue, then PM me or catch me on MSN
Same goes for you Pete..
Anyone else, dont bother.. I wont send it to you..
Statistics: Posted by Z!re — Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:59 pm
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If you had a forum, where you had rules that members must follow, and I broke your rules and got banned as a result...tough luck for me... I don't think I would go to TBN and post shit like:
I find that very disrespectfull...remember that we are many who still has great respect for Wildcard and for his kindness over the years...fork you wildcard, this must be the most childish action you could possibly make.
Grow the fork up!
Statistics: Posted by Guest — Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:14 pm
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And I'm not flaming, if I was flaming there would be a lot more curse words in my posts, coupled with bold, italic underlined, uppercase and so on.
If you think I'm flaming here you havent seen a flamewar..
And I never said I was above anything... Infact, if you read my posts again, I think I make it very clear I deserved to get banned. It was the admins breaking their own rules that made me upset, not the ban itself.
I've been posting in the same style since day one, never got a warning for it. Then suddenly I'm a flamer and should be instantly banned?
Which just happened to be when I decide to PM the admins about the crappy situation..
Pete, come over to TBN and the toasty, and we can have a real flamewar..
This is a discussion.. although Plasma and Nek went to flame instead of discussion, dont try to drag me into that.
But fine, point me to where I flamed anyone in my posts in this topic. As I'm not aware I've done it.
Statistics: Posted by Z!re — Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:22 am
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My forum went downhill and I failed because of that one meaningless post that nobody take seriously? Give me a break. How many people are going to leave this forum because of that post? None.
Yah, true that no one prolly leaves here because of that. But if there would be lots of more those, then situation would be way different.Anyway, i like this site/forum so lets keep this as an "flame free"?
Statistics: Posted by lurah- — Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:28 am
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I wont bother finding the other spam and flame topics/posts, but here's a recent example: http://www.petesqbsite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=615and this forum has been a nice, happy place
And before anyone try to go that way: I'm not blaming you, so dont even bother replying with that.
It's your job, you failed. Simple.
Now I can understand people getting pissed off and leaving because of *this* topic, which is full of flames. But you had a major hand in this topic too. (Don't act so high and mighty about flaming...you're involved in it just as much as anyone else.) Nek, Fling and Plasma might not come back over this, which is a shame.
But I guess it helps prove my point. If four users in this forum decide to get in a pissing match, there's not really anything I can do as an admin other than hope that they resolve the issue on their own. Closing, deleting or editing posts pisses people off even more (and I also think it's wrong), banning people *really* pisses them off, and issuing personal warnings is just time consuming and ineffective. It's better to just let it happen, IMHO.
If I keep on crushing every argument or critical post like some kind of dictator playing Whack-A-Mole, this forum will suck just as much as it does when there are a bunch of flamebaits here.
Statistics: Posted by Pete — Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:26 am
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And I decided against including my rant on the n00bs that replaced the old people tenfold..
And people will always fight, break rules and act like assholes.. If we didnt we wouldnt need laws..
Besides, I didnt claim a forum went downhill, I claimed that the admins job is to prevent it from ever going downhill. Sorry if I was unclear.
Yes, and why did they leave?(B) the (intelligent) users abandon them
As an example, a news item wasnt displayed until almost two weeks after the news post was made.
Read that again, and let the implication settle in..
They couldnt even bother to verify a news article..
Old timers (read: intelligent) left, n00bs took their place and spammed out HOW DO I LOAD A BMP LIEK PLZ!!!1 which in turn made more of the old timers leave..
Where were the admins then? It's in the rules not to make help topics like that, or how about all the duplicate posts? "How do i get rid of the console window?"
Many small things lead to the downfall, all of them avoidable if the admins had acted.
Actually Mac is mod/admin/whatever of the nw54 qb.com forum.What about the Qbasic.com / Network54 forum? That one has nobody in charge, and yet it's doing great as an autonomous collective.
And in all honesty, that place is as elitist as it gets.. newbs posts gets ignored or flamed.. If that is what you call a good community/forum.. well.. hmm..
I wont bother finding the other spam and flame topics/posts, but here's a recent example: http://www.petesqbsite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=615and this forum has been a nice, happy place
And before anyone try to go that way: I'm not blaming you, so dont even bother replying with that.
It's your job, you failed. Simple.
Feel free to give the same speech to me if any site where I'm admin go down the same road.
Statistics: Posted by Z!re — Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:14 pm
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You claim that forums go downhill if the admins don't take care of them.
That's simply not true.
Forums depend entirely on the userbase. If the users in a forum go bad, the forum will suck, no matter how great the admins are.
Forums go downhill when:
(A) the users are assholes and flame each other constantly, or
(B) the (intelligent) users abandon them
A forum with essentially no moderator or admin can go on forever and thrive as long as everyone gets along and behaves him/herself.
Take NeoBasic. It has no admin or moderator (Marcade has forgotten the passwords, and there has been no moderation on the site for years.) And yet, it's a great, unified community.
What about the Qbasic.com / Network54 forum? That one has nobody in charge, and yet it's doing great as an autonomous collective.
This site also has basically no moderators / administrators... I have never deleted any posts except for stuff by the poker spambot, and this forum has been a nice, happy place (until this thread, of course).
The reason QBN went downhill was because the userbase as a whole became a bunch of douchebags. If everyone got along, admins and moderators are unnecessary.
Statistics: Posted by Pete — Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:57 pm
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